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European countries should simply either block or tax the parasitic US big tech companies that insist on violating their laws and roiling their internal affairs. Promote local competition. You don’t need these toxic, retrograde companies.

@davetroy Be like Brazil. Ban X. Musk shut up about it immediately, hasn’t said a word about them since.

@gimulnautti @davetroy

Agreed, the ban was short but shifted things to the side of Brazil so they were calling the shots, it proves it can be done

@zleap @gimulnautti @davetroy For now. If all of Europe and everyone else capitulate it will be a lot less possible to make a move like Brazil did.

@crazyeddie @zleap @davetroy Europe needs to funnel tax euros to development and establishment of protocols, to provide a firm ground for homegrown social media startups to grow from.

Unfortunately #eu politicians can't get their head around the fact that social media can look different than Facebook or Xitter.

This is a huge moment. And by investing in open-source backbones & protocols European digital souvereignty could be guaranteed.

But it needs to be built, not falling from US heavens.

CM Thiede

@gimulnautti @crazyeddie @zleap @davetroy this stuff is all getting too crazy and a good place to insert a recommendation for this book read

social.vivaldi.net/@cmthiede/1

It's all coming down to the build out of "smart" cities. Look into the players building Brazil's. Them choosing not to allow Xsquawk in their country won't mean they won't allow home grown TruthBrazil (made it up) to prosper without major competition.

Now that the price for compute has come down drastically as well as solar for power, the only thing people can do to battle the machines (blocs) controlling the machines, is if everyone turns off all their networked crap as a "whole," as if that would ever happen voluntarily, or the device that would give them simple transmit/receive be manufactured at hyperscale so anyone wanting to connect to the public at large can do so without a fascist filter. It can be built. Plenty on this planet live that way already. It's a matter of getting that ability into the hands of everyone, and fast. This is strictly for bouncing around in ActivityPub land, mind you, not everywhere in the digiverse! We still need to leave that playground for the hackers. but not really.

@cmthiede @gimulnautti @zleap @davetroy It's been bouncing around in my head quite a lot. I don't know that ActivityPub will do it, but it's the closest thing we have right now maybe. I envision something more integrated with your home network though, that is founded on secure, unique identity, and is "homeless" as far as needing some particular service or everyone has to re-address you. Most of the stuff we share can be shared just between our actual devices.

I'll have a read.

@crazyeddie @gimulnautti @zleap @davetroy not confident ActivityPub is the magic bullet either, but with 4 days to launch, that seems to be the only one loaded in the chamber with people already interested and on the move.

@cmthiede @crazyeddie @gimulnautti @davetroy

I would assume, as an open protocol, ActivityPub can adapt and change over time, so that newer services can be created with newer features. Existing services will also adapt. Or we get say Mastodon2.0 which is backward compatible with 1.0. Not sure how the data base works that stores data, but I would guess it is seperate from AP so data can be moved just like data can be downloaded and uploaded to a different instance. So at some point we can download from a AP1.0 instance and upload to a AP2.0 instance.

@zleap @cmthiede @gimulnautti @davetroy ActivityPub is designed for http/https style traffic with service servers being maintained by someone that are out on the web with a public IP. When one goes down or you want to move you have to do a re-homing (it's baked into the protocol I think).

But, if you just wanted to share stuff with friends you could do it over I2P or Tor and that has a unique address that is a key.

One part of the idea bouncing in my head. Detach from the web.

@zleap @cmthiede @gimulnautti @davetroy No reason you can't do ActivityPub over either of those protocols so it might work great. No re-homing needed. It's an idea bouncing around, I've not actually done more than cursory research into it or actually come up with what the requirements actually are for this "concept of a plan" -- so vote for me to lead it please!!!

@crazyeddie @zleap @gimulnautti @davetroy well, whatever happens to be a marvel slug, be sure the schematic is disseminated quickly to community MakerSpace units!

@crazyeddie @zleap @gimulnautti @davetroy the .onion route was crossing my mind too, but it can be a nonstarter for blocs no?

@cmthiede @zleap @gimulnautti @davetroy You mean firewalls? There's ways around that by making it look like HTTP traffic I think.

But yeah. Once you are in a locked down area it's going to be hard to get unlocked. That's why it's kinda something with some urgency to get people using so the economic impact of such censorship would make them not want to do it...so everyone.

That failing, journalists use it for dead drops and stuff and they have some designs published.

@zleap @cmthiede @gimulnautti @davetroy @aral Right idea anyway. I don't know if following wed3 with blockchain is the way to go, but I never really studied that. Something. There's a lot of ideas floating around actually.

@cmthiede @zleap @gimulnautti @davetroy @aral One of my either crazy or brilliant ideas is to make part of the public interface MineTest game system.

What you'd do is you'd set up your own server with your own plugins and stuff, and one of them would be this "stargate" that you could build in your world and it would connect to networks. You'd issue friends keys--maybe items in the game--they have to have to go through to your world. You fill it with whatever...some open to all, some more priv

@cmthiede @zleap @gimulnautti @davetroy @aral Within this you could have your little show room or whatever that leads into other aspects of the system--photo albums..whatever.

Have wars...maybe some of it takes place in space...you go through the gate a person and pop out as a ship. It's whatever anyone wanted it to be like.

I started learning some of the lua and stuff I'd need. How the engine and client worked internally. Blogged it but I deleted all that.

@cmthiede @zleap @gimulnautti @davetroy @aral This was my idea for sort of getting public interest. You can always do this by quitting the game and joining someone's server but I thought this would be fun to pop in and out of each others' worlds like it was all some big thing. A fun sort of thing.

@gimulnautti @crazyeddie @zleap @cmthiede @davetroy Haha, thanks :)

(PS. It’s been a while since I’ve looked at that page. Just noticed some spammy links have crept in. Must make some time to weed them out. Amazing the lengths some folks will go to to get their link on a page even with nofollow.) :)