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Jiří Eischmann

I used to be a big fan of the . And what I see happening now with is very similar to what happened with Opera.

Opera Software ASA acquired AdMarvel, a mobile advertising company, in 2010. Advertising became the primary business, and the browser was sidelined, dropped its own engine, and was eventually sold to Chinese investors, who completed the enshittification. The spirit around the original Opera was reborn with , but the engine was lost.

acquired Anonym, an advertising company, in 2024 and started making really worrying decisions about Firefox...

I just hope it doesn't go the same way, for the sake of the Web.

@sesivany It would be great for the EU to jump-start a strong non-profit to fork Firefox or buy Chrome and maintain them as real user agents.

@sesivany time to fund viable alternatives like #Ladybird I guess

@sesivany time to focus on and fund GNOME Web, Etolie, KDE web browsers, IMHO. These deserves more attention and love.

@sesivany Opera in the 00s was innovative. I loved the peer-too-peer browser hosted apps you could discover. I will light a candle in remembrance of those days.

@sesivany So what happens if the Web dies?
When I was born, there was no Web. In fact, there was no Web when I first saw the Internet. Then WWW was invented as an improvement to gopher, because it was such a great idea.
If the Web dies, it will be re-invented.

@ptesarik @okias If the web dies, Apple and the like will never allow any re-incarnation into their closed ecosystems again. Every service or app would have to be developed for each platform individually. If they even allow it into their stores. With high fees and commissions, of course. And no new platform would ever emerge as the cost to redevelop all the existing apps would be astronomical.
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@ondra @sesivany @okias If the web truly dies, Apple and the like may not be relevant.
But to make this discussion meaningful, we may have to define “the web” first.

@ptesarik Luckily, the web can't be killed, nobody owns it. But it can be made more or less irrelevant and that's what Apple is doing for years.
It's the only meta-platform we have and it happens to be open. It keeps the barriers low for readers, creators, developers, even new platform challengers. We all benefit from it and should strive to keep it alive and well.
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@sesivany Isn't it already going that same way? Has been for months over months.