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Was there any talk or discussion at the #FediForum about the banning of #X in #Brazil, and the massive migration of Brazilians to #BlueSky?
I've heard more than once today the question why Brazilians went to Bluesky. I've heard some ideas like Bluesky resembles Orkut, an old social network platform of Google that was very poorly in Brazil 20 years ago. I think that's false.
I don't have a clear answer to this phenomenon, but it would be very interesting to listen to what other people think.
@everton137 nevermind Orkut, Bluesky has a literal clone of Twitter's UI. Plus it's to all intents and purposes a centralised service with a single place to sign up and to interact with everyone on the platform, unlike the Fediverse where it's necessary to think about which instance to join, understand what federation is and why you can't necessarily talk to everyone else, etc.
@caesar @everton137 If it's that similar to X in terms of signing up and appearance --that means a smaller learning curve which would be appealing to most people.
@everton137 Eu vi pessoas que foram porque o Mastodon era complicado e o threads era do Zuck.
Ajuda que o Bluesky iniciou pelo mesmo criador do twitter e eles se parecem.
@everton137 it was mentioned in some sessions
@thisismissem nice! I hope it was recorded or someone wrote about it. We had one of the biggest countries in the world very connected to the Internet being forced to leave x, but just a few, as compared to Bluesky, really joined the Fediverse. That's a really important case to be forgotten, and I think it can have several lessons, if you are going to build a really decentralized Internet.
@everton137 it came up in the joint panel with @berlinfediday, where I referenced the legal challenges of operating social media, I guess that was recorded, the rest will be in the notes published by @fediforum
@thisismissem @berlinfediday @fediforum I was in the #BerlinFediDay and this panel. :)
@everton137 @thisismissem The #fediverse has been a boon to many. I was banished from the evil empire #meta ruled by a tyrannical overlord #zuckerberg . I was never on X, always toxic there. I now feel 'free at last'. There's space for my politics and my photographs. Happy man. 
@everton137 IMHO, it's because Network Effect...
I saw some sports covering where the Second Screen became Bluesky... This can explain this fact.
And yet, Bluesky is also an influencer friendly environment, what fediverse, because not having the algorithms to boost stuff, isn't
@everton137 No, there wasn't a lot of discussion at #FediForum of the implications of and reasons for Brazilians signing up for #Bluesky instead of the ActivityPub based #fediverse.
I agree that it's not the similarities to Orkut aren't the main reason. Lula's tweet was certainly a big factor but it had already started before that. In https://privacy.thenexus.today/bluesky-atmosphere-fediverse/ I wrote
"Bluesky addresses many (although certainly not all) of the issues newcomers to the Mastodon faced in 2022, and has paid a lot of attention to onboarding and usability. So today's Bluesky is a much better Twitter alternative for most people than Mastodon of 2022 – or today's Mastodon."
and I'm planning on going in to detail on that in a follow-up post ... but, one simple example: there's only one Braziliian instances listed on joinmastodon.org. https://mastodon.br-linux.org/instancias/ is useful but how is anybody supposed to find it?
EDIT: I originally said that there aren't any Brazilian instances on joinmasstodon, which I had heard from multiple people, but turns out to be untrue -- there is one, a regional server focused on Curtiba. So I edited the previous paragraph appropriately.
@thenexusofprivacy @everton137 No Brazilian instances listed on joinmastodon.org is such a self-own. Ouch.
@frumble @thenexusofprivacy @everton137 Self-own by whom? The server operators should submit their servers to the directory (but they have to agree to the covenant for that): https://joinmastodon.org/covenant
[Actually it turns out there is one Brazilian instance listed there, my bad -- I'll update the partent post. Still, it's foused only on Curtiba and listed as a "regional server", so doesn't necessariy help post people.]
I'd say it's a self-own at the ecosystem level. I have no idea why any specific instances aren't on joinmastodon.org -- quite possible they didn't want to be there, reasonable enough, or perhaps they don't agree to the covenant, or maybe it's a communications issue, or whatever. Still, from the perspective of new people from Brazil wondering if they should join Mastodon, it doesn't help them find a good instance if they're not from the Curtiba area; and, it sends a message (intentionally or not) that there aren't many existing Brazilian communities here.
@thenexusofprivacy @everton137
My take is that #bigtech social media became so much a part of the Brazilian culture that it is difficult for us to perceive the alternative. But a good part of the problem comes from Brazilian web entrepreneurs' addiction to #adtech.
@josemurilo @thenexusofprivacy who do you see as a web entrepreneur in Brazil? Do you think they can influence the big majority of Brazilians who migrated to Bluesky? We are talking about millions of people...
@everton137
Olha colega, posso destrinchar meus palpites em uma conversa, caso tenha interesse.