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People who do LaTeX in their day-to-day are saints, because this shit is infuriating

Patricia Aas

LaTeX error messages be like: YOU FUCKED UP SOMEWHERE BY DOING SOMETHING WHATEVER FUCK YOU

@Patricia the alliteration in Leslie Lamport should have made it obvious that this was the work of a comic book villain

@Patricia Ah, yes; I have many fond memories of doing a binary search to find the error (commenting out half the file, then a quarter, etc.).

@Patricia I can relate.
I have been very tempted to use LyX for exactly this reason

@mrsbeanbag @Patricia i find myself being compelled to combine them (as it's the preferred format for C++ Standard proposals) but have thus far resisted

@mhoemmen @Patricia i did actually seriously start imagining a programming language where you write the maths in LaTeX format, to save you the bother when you come to write the paper about it.

well i say seriously

@mrsbeanbag @Patricia writing math in Pandoc's Markdown variant is a gamble -- i also miss the various packages that let me format matrices correctly -- so i would welcome actual LaTeX formatting for documentation and comments

@mhoemmen @Patricia oh i mean not just for the comments. for the actual code.

but i haven't really sat down and properly thought it through.

@mrsbeanbag @Patricia i saw a talk a bit like this, on a better way to do expression templates (by separating math expressions from containers and ownership of the data). given how constexpr has evolved, i could imagine std::format - style compile-time math expressions!

@Patricia There’s a package called memoir, which has an amazingly thick manual. One of the appendices is called “The terrors of errors” and explains ALL the core TeX errors and very many LaTeX errors in understandable terms. Very useful.

@Patricia why do you think scientists never get shit done?

@Patricia it sucks, but when I use Word or some other alternative I am constantly infuriated by its layout stuff, whereas LaTeX just looks nice... 🥲

@sibaku yeah… there’s a reason I’m subjecting myself to this pain