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Tankie is just a slur for people who aren’t ideological and financially compromised by the United Treats of America.

Found the tankie.

Honestly What bullshit.

Tankie is a slur for authoritarian communists.

There is a healthy and honest way to appreciate communism, Russia, the CCP and even DPRK.

And then there are people who are completely shilling the CCP Russia DPRK as communist uptopias. These people are tankies.

If you are unable to recoginze the atrocities commited at any point in history, by the USA China, Russia , or any other country for that Matter. You’re a chump.

Are the tankies in the room with us right now, shitlib?

Yeah some of them. I think im speaking to one right now.

Pleae tell me your totally not tankie ideas.

Am I a tankie? I like socialism but think communism (total state control) is too far. We need, as AOC said, “an end to unregulated capitalism”, but we can’t go the authoritarian route of China or North Korea. I envision socialism as Norway and Sweden, these nations that have achieved harmony through peace and cooperation with liberal capitalism; we need nations that don’t put down pro-democracy protests or have “socialist” attitudes around immigration/investment which restrict genuine freedom. I have seen several “tankies” (I hope I am using this right) say, verbatim, “North Korea is heaven on earth and a genuine utopia in every way”, which really worries me. I tried to show them Yeonmi Park videos and Human Rights in North Korea articles but they all just laugh at me. Honestly I’ve considered leaving this instance, since even anarchism seems too far to me (how will capitalism be regulated without a state?), plus a lot of anarchists here are tankies as well, and they have no regard for human rights or the genocide China is currently committing. My only shining light of hope is the people like you who check these attitudes with credible sources and expose these lies in detail. Slava ukraini and freedom to all!

Am I a tankie? I like socialism but think communism (total state control) is too far.

No you are not a tankie. You are very painfully a liberal.

Please keep reading and understand there is a difference between authoritarian communism and communism

Please see Thomas Sankara.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sankara

I was trolling. Thomas Sankara was executed in a U.S.-backed coup. Do you think maybe he should have exercised more authority, better strengthened defenses and built up a stronger base for combatting imperialism, that he could have avoided this (I don’t have an exact policy path, and it’s not like Sankara didn’t put down certain reactionary movements when necessary)? I’m sympathetic to Sankara of course, but if your ideal system of resisting authority succumbs to counter-authority, then maybe you don’t have grounds to condemn greater authority exercised to these ends. I don’t know how a “communist” could see authority in a vacuum to the point of accepting “authoritarianism” as anything other than the singling out of the authority of certain systems over others in safeguarding and expanding interests.

I was trolling

Your not doing very good job. Your just coming off as an idiot too me.

Do you think maybe he should have exercised more authority, better strengthened defenses and built up a stronger base for combatting imperialism, that he could have avoided this (I don’t have an exact policy path, and it’s not like Sankara didn’t put down certain reactionary movements when necessary)?

Can you be more concise? Your run on sentences make me want to stop talking to you.

Im not here to go over the specifics of Sankaras’s Decisons: But From what I do know. He fought corruption, he pushed literacy programs and fought malnutrition. All While resistsing western imperialsm.

Im sure he made mistakes and did some problematic things. As an anarchist I can appreicate the good things he did and be open to the concept that he also did bad things as well.

Just like the USSR CPC and other communist governments.

I’m sympathetic to Sankara of course, but if your ideal system of resisting authority succumbs to counter-authority, then maybe you don’t have grounds to condemn greater authority exercised to these ends.

Your going to have to rewrite, this i dont understand what you are saying. Are you referring to me or Sankara?

Your just coming off as an idiot too me.

Other people understood that I was being sarcastic as well.

Can you be more concise? Your run on sentences make me want to stop talking to you.

And you dishonestly dismissing my direct response proving you were incorrect about Hexbear critiquing Russia/China makes me want to stop talking to you, yet here we are.

Im not here to go over the specifics of Sankaras’s Decisons: But From what I do know. He fought corruption, he pushed literacy programs and fought malnutrition. All While resistsing western imperialsm. Im sure he made mistakes and did some problematic things. As an anarchist I can appreicate the good things he did and be open to the concept that he also did bad things as well. Just like the USSR CPC and other communist governments.

Why did you single Sankara’s Burkina Faso out when speaking of exceptions to authoritarian communism, yet now defend your position by tying it into the CPC, which you specifically called “authoritarian”?

Your going to have to rewrite, this i dont understand what you are saying. Are you referring to me or Sankara?

Rephrased: If your one exception to “authoritarian communism” is a government that was overthrown by imperialism, what does this say about the use of authority in revolutionary states?

Other people understood that I was being sarcastic as well.

Well you got me. Maybe im not in the mood for jokes. I am so tired of having these conversation. It makes me so sad to see people supporting these countries.

Russia and china are not examples of a good government. Neither is the usa. I feel like im taking crazy pills.

Why did you single Sankara’s Burkina Faso out when speaking of exceptions to authoritarian communism

Because i know about him and agree with many things that he did. Not everything, but he didnt build an imperialst nation. He fought for literacy and nutrition and anti corruption.

He didnt build a survelence network or invade another nation to my knowledge.

He fought for his people using the principles revolutionary communism and ML. This I support.

Just like i can recognize that the CPC does provide many valuable things to it citizens . While also recognizing that they are still authoritarnian.

Rephrased: If your one exception to “authoritarian communism” is a government that was overthrown by imperialism, what does this say about the use of authority in revolutionary states?

I dont know. Im not here to tell you how sankara could of avoided assassination. But I do feel that acting like Sankara is the same as the cpc/russia in any real way is kinda absurd.

Cuba is better example of communism than cpc. Once again they have problems.

Ultimately i am an anarchist, i dont think communism is the solution long term, but i would work with communists, As long as they didnt support large authoritarian governments.

But I do feel that acting like Sankara is the same as the cpc/russia in any real way is kinda absurd.

What are your specific critiques of the CPC? What abuses of authority do you point out?

Ultimately i am an anarchist, i dont think communism is the solution long term

Do you mean socialism? Communism is the absence of the state and the withering away of class distinctions.

Communism is the absence of the state and the withering away of class distinctions.

So is the USSR not communist by your definition?

It was communist in the sense that it was commanded by a communist party and was oriented towards communism (some would say socialist-oriented rather than socialist), but it had not achieved “communism”, and was squarely in the socialist camp with the proletarian monopoly on capital (USSR literally means United Socialist Workers Republics). I would have no issue with you stating the USSR was communist in the same way Vietnam could be called socialist (in goal and in guidance), but stating that “communism isn’t the solution long term” makes no sense. Do you understand the distinction?